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January 13, 2010

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Jeff

Who IS this Elizabeth Woodward anyway? I think I like the "Behave Yourself" cover best, although the "Do Boys Like You?" Ken-doll gathering her folds in to his chivalrous fist is touching. I'm afraid he would be in a different lifestyle today. I printed the How to Rate Another Date list to discuss over tea tonight at home ...

John Ptak

I haven't looked very hard but I can't find anything about the personal history of Ms. Woodward. I'm hoping that she was actually B. traven who was actually someone who had like a microdot of estrogen and was named "Stinky Pete". Woodward did write something called "How to be Popular 'Tho Teacher's Pet". I can hardly wait for the movie.

Jay

It's really not that much different now. These days you have to starve and mutilate yourself, and spend half of your paycheck on various beauty products and treatments in order to attract Mr. Right. In some ways it's worse. Your appearance is more important than your personality.

Swanky

Nothing wrong with that list other than some terminology. Watch Tough Love. Same issues today with people generally being too interested in themselves and not concerned with the other person. Just good conversation and interaction there.

Emily Post

@jeff: Who IS this Elizabeth Woodward anyway?

Probably Elizabeth Woodward Magdelain (1906-1980), writer of the "Sub-Deb" column in the Ladies Home Journal in the 1930s and '40s. An Elizabeth Woodward married Philippe Magdelain in Philadelphia in 1939, and is likely the same woman who renewed copyrights on some Ladies Home Journal titles and died in Newtown, Connecticut.

Usually Google is your friend, but it yields up very little on this woman who wrote many things to set social norms for the grandparents of today's teens.

Diana Cappiello

I just read the "Rate A Date" list. Honestly, none of that seems like bad advice to me. "Let him run things" might sound harsh to modern ears, but take step back- both of you want to have fun, but you're both human beings with preferences and desires. You both want to feel validated, and you have to allow him to be in control of certain things in order to feel that way. The ability to share control is a subtle and important aspect of a relationship. So long as no one feels trampled or taken advantage of, being comfortable enough to let him take the wheel and make some of the decisions is a good thing.

crella

It's not bad advice. 'Did you let him run things' sounds odd, but when invited on a date the proper thing to do is let the person who invited lead. You don't go to a party and start telling the hosts how to make it better, you don't do it on a date either.

Men were just as restricted and expected to know how to ballroom dance as well.

John F. Ptak

Ms. Post: thanks very much for supplying this information!

Wowpoetry

does anyone know if it is possible to find copies of these pamphlets anywhere today? I'm not sure where to start looking, but i love to collect pieces of etiquette history like this and could love to be able to have it to show my kids! I don't have anything from this tome period. thanks! and love the article!

Ptak

Hi Wow--all of these are available through my store. Send along an email if you'd like one/some.

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